Defizitbescheid according to § 17a Aufenthaltsgesetz (AufenthG) – #2
Although I have already posted about ”Defizitbescheid according to § 17a Aufenthaltsgesetz (AufenthG)” before, at that time, I had posted only the official links that were available to me.
Many of you have asked me the questions related to Defizitbescheid and 17a visa. I will try to answer a few of them here in this post. This post is mainly targeted for foreign medical doctors, but the process can be almost the same for other health care professionals. Please ask the responsible German authority for your qualification.
Why are you asked to submit ‘Defizitbesheid’ for approval of your visa?
- ”I am
a MBBS doctor. I had a visa appointment yesterday, but they (Germanembassy / consulate ) have asked me for ‘Defizitbesheid’. I applied for language course visa, to take a language course in Germany.” - ”They accepted my visa documents, but they told me that it will be approved only after I submit the Defizitbescheid.”
It does not matter, for which visa you apply; if you are a skilled and highly qualified worker (like a doctor) who still need to complete further adaptation/training measures (like language or medical courses) in Germany, then you may be considered for ‘§ 17a of the German Residency Act’, according to which you will have to submit ‘Defizitbescheid’ for approval of your visa. Most of the German consulates/embassy have started to ask for ‘Defizitbescheid’.
What is § 17a of the German Residency Act (AufenthG)?
Ӥ 17a of the German Residency Act (AufenthG) entered into force on 1 August 2015. This provision enables skilled workers (like doctors) from third countries to compensate for any substantial differences (like language or deficit in medical study) identified within the scope of a recognition procedure by taking part in a training measure (like language or medical courses) in order to achieve professional or occupational recognition or authorization to practice in Germany (Berufserlaubnis / Approbation). After gaining full equivalence or authorization to practice, such persons are permitted to spend a period of up to one year seeking a job. Skilled workers thus have an opportunity to qualify for full equivalence and become integrated into the
– from ‘’Guide to § 17a of the German Residency Act’’ by The Network “Integration through Qualification (IQ)”
So, as I understand from this, § 17a of the German Residency Act (AufenthG) was initially implemented to make the whole visa process easy and simple for foreign skilled workers, as with this act, the requirement to get multiple visa extensions in Germany would have been gone.
Requirements for visa application according to § 17a of the German Residency Act (AufenthG):-
- Professional or vocational qualification from abroad (a medical degree in a foreign country)
- Written recognition notice ascertains the need for training (Defizitbescheid)
- Evidence of participation in training courses (Qualifizierungskursen/ theoretical or practical / German language courses / medical courses ) or completion of a test in Germany
- Consent of the Federal Employment Agency (Bundesagentur für Arbeit – BA), only if required
- Proof of financing
Allowed stay and employment according to§ 17a of the German Residency Act :-
- Stay of up to 18 months for the training measures within the context of recognition (for training or courses for your medical qualification Recognition/Anerkennung process in Germany)
- Secondary employment possible (during the approved visa period -Beschäftigung begleitend möglich – up to an extent of 10 hours per week; The prerequisite for employment beyond 10 hours per week is that such employment must be in an area which is closely related to the profession for which recognition is being sought.)
- After gaining full equivalence or authorization to practice, one is permitted to spend a period of up to one year seeking a job
This means that whenever you get an employment/job according to your qualification, you will have to change your visa to some another work visa/ Blue card.
How to get Defizitbescheid from outside of Germany?
Application for Defizitbescheid is nothing but the application for approbation in Germany!
- Apply for Approbation (authorization to practice in Germany), along with a curriculum, in any of the German medical Authorities responsible for foreigners. (Here your curriculum will increase the chances that your education /qualification will be considered full equivalent in Germany.)
- Write down along with the Approbation application in a cover letter that you want to receive a Defizitbescheid. Your documents will be automatically transferred to ZAB for further Gutachten process (Equivalence assessment) and you will get a Defizibescheid after the Gutachten / Equivalence assessment.
- Submit a received Defizitbescheid along with the application of 17a visa at German c
onsulate or embassy.
Further information regarding these topics….
- You will find the list of authorities and respective websites with forms here. Adressen der Approbationsbehörden
- Requirements and the process for the curriculum can be found in this post. Prepare and Submit your Curriculum in Germany
- Information about Gleichwertigkeitsverfahren or Approbationsverfahren
Can you apply for Approbation from outside of Germany?
An application for professional or occupational recognition (Approbation) can be submitted from abroad. Applicants are also not required to be in possession of any residence permit or visa.
Which of the authorities /states /competent bodies / Behörde will be responsible for your recognition procedure / Application?
- Although each state has its own rules and requirements for application; responsibility of any state/authority is mostly determined by the place in which the occupational activity is planned to be exercised. The competent bodies/authorities may ask for proof of job intention in the respective area, e.g. in the form of evidence of job applications. So you may have to apply for jobs in respectiv areas of Behörde, and you can show prints of these application and rejection emails as a piece of evidence for your future intention to work in the area of the respective state/authority.
- Planned participation in a training measure (language courses /medical training courses) may also constitute a rationale for local responsibility of the authority/Behörde in the respective federal state. A list of various institutes in Germany, that offer (mostly paid) integration training courses for foreign physicians and offer preparatory courses for the knowledge test, is provided at the end of this post.
Who will be responsible for Equivalence assessment / Gutachten?
In the healthcare professions, the competent bodies /authorities may receive support from the Central Assessment Agency for Healthcare Professions at the Central Office for Foreign Education (Zentralstelle für ausländisches Bildungswesen ZAB) for Equivalent assessment / Gutachten. This is done automatically via your Behörde, you don’t have to contact ZAB directly.
- If there are no substantial differences between the foreign professional qualification of yours and the respective reference occupation/qualification in Germany, full equivalence is confirmed in the form of a notice.
- In the event that full equivalence is not in place (according to submitted documents) because of an absence of language/medical knowledge (for which occupational experience cannot compensate), a Defizitbescheid (deficit notice) imposing a compensation measure is issued.
At the end of the process, you will receive a notice from authority /competent body (from the one where you had applied for Approbation).
How much time will it take to receive a Defizitbescheid?
Generally, (in 2018) it takes almost 5 to 9 months. Precise time vary between different individuals. In other words, apply for it, you will find out!
”Landesamt für Gesundheit und Soziales Mecklenburg-Vorpommern” writes in ”Hinweise
How can you accelerate the procedure and get Bescheid and visa as soon as possible?
In order to accelerate the procedure, applicants in regulated professions such as
”Within the scope of the application process, the only requirements in this regard are evidence of possession of a qualification in the relevant profession and evidence of authorization to exercise the profession in the country of origin. The competent body/authority issues the applicant with a Zwischenbescheid, which states the necessity of completing a knowledge test in order to obtain recognition. In the visa process, this replaces the Defizitbescheid pursuant to § 17a AufenthG and, alongside the other required documentation, is sufficient for the issuing of a visa in accordance with § 17a AufenthG.” – Guide to § 17a of the German Residency Act’’ by The Network “Integration through Qualification (IQ)
Is Eingangsbestätigung same document like Defizitbescheid?
No. They are different documents. Eingangsbestätigung is just a notice of arrival (Acknowledgement letter) of your documents in authority (Behörde). And Defizitbescheid is a deficit notice about your studies.
Some consulates/embassies accept, in rare cases, the Eingangsbestätigung for the visa process, as process of getting Defizitbescheid takes such a long time.
What will be written in Defizitbescheid? How will it look like?
Defizitbescheid is a document that will be issued after examining your documents, stating that there is a certain deficit in your medical training, which requires to be compensated for through language or medical courses, experiences or exams (like Fachsprachprüfung or Kenntnisprüfung).
Here is an example of Defizitbescheid.
Here is an example of Zwischenbescheid.
Can any official language institute or academy help me in the whole process?
Yes. But it can be very costly if you want to process everything via any institute or academy. They can help you to translate, to attest the documents and then to submit these to responsible authority in Germany.
Marburger Bund has posted FAQ for foreign doctors. Under the question
- berami Frankfurt (www.berami.de)
- EZplus Stuttgart (www.ezplus.de)
- Freiburg International Academy (https://www.fia.academy)
- Gemeinnützige Gesellschaft für berufsbildende Maßnahmen mbH Berlin (www.gfbm.de)
- Interkulturelle Bildung Hamburg (www.ibhev.de)
- Kulturakademie Dresden (www.kulturakademie-dresden.de)
- maxQ.im bfw – Unternehmen für Bildung (www.maxq.net)
- medisim Köln (www.medisim.com
- mibeg-Institut Medizin (www.mibeg.de)
- ProBildung Leipzig (https://probildung.org)
- VIA-Institut Nuremberg (www.via-institut.de)
Furthermore, the IQ-Network offers courses which are sponsored e.g.:
- Charité International Academy (https://chia.charite.de/projekte/iq_netzwerk_berlin/)
- mibeg-Institut (http://www.mibeg.de/medizin/iquamed-integration-durch-qualifizierung-und…)
More course are posted under: https://www.netzwerk-iq.de/foerderprogramm-iq/landesnetzwerke.html
Here are some important points to keep in mind for 17a visa:-
- I couldn’t find any official language requirement for this visa. But I think, minimum A2 or B1 level will be required to understand the process and to apply for training courses in Germany. If anyone has applied for this visa, before this language level, please do inform me.
- But this exemption from language requirement for 17a visa gives a freedom to apply approbation / Defizitbescheid at an early language level, so that your time does not get wasted in waiting for the Bescheid/notice.
- As long as I know and understand, national language visas can be converted to this visa in Germany. If anyone has done it please share your experience in comments.
- Because of strict rules regarding ‘job seeker visa‘, it may not be possible to convert job seeker visa to this visa. I find, 17a visa as a better alternative to ‘job seeker visa’, because of provided stay up to 18 months with allowed secondary employment (in comparison to that, for job seeker visa, which is only 6 months without any allowed employment) !
I recommend you to read ’Guide to § 17a of the German Residency Act’’ by The Network Integration through Qualification (IQ). It will provide you with detailed information regarding this topic. (like documents, secondary employment, financing, scholarship funding, switching your visa to 17a,
References and Sources:-
- ‘’Guide to § 17a of the German Residency Act’’ by The Network “Integration through Qualification (IQ)” www.netzwerk-iq.de
- Information provided by Bilal Aslam during a telephone interview
- Documents provided by Bilal Aslam
- FAQs – foreign physicians by Marburger Bund
- ”Hinweise
zum Defizitbescheidnach § 17a Aufenthaltsgesetz (AufenthG)” by ”Landesamt für Gesundheit und Soziales Mecklenburg-Vorpommern” - Questions and answers provided by FB group members
Thanks.
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National language visas can be converted to this visa in Germany.
I would like to point out that visa §16b AufenthG does not require a deficit notification. However, deficiency notification in the domestic licensing procedure can be started early on application is shortened. The exhibitors can give their testimony with an acknowledgment of receipt. Regarding the deficit statement, I refer to the Visa Handbook, October 2017 (2.4 Required language skills.) Excursus: delimitation between § 16b (1) and § 17a (1) AufenthG): If you are only able to acquire German language skills, a stay under § 16b para. 1 AufenthG. Its advantage is that the visa can be issued without the deficit notice. In these cases, the applicant may seek the deficiency letter and appropriate adaptation measures during the language course. In addition, I and BMG refer to the administration of §17a of (as of 10.04.2017) Language skills f: If the applicant is missing the necessary to participate in a job-related educational measure (adaptation qualification, technical language course) according to § 17 a AufenthG, may be upstream to § 17 a AufenthG first a visa according to § 16 paragraph 5 AufenthG be granted for a general language course. After successful completion of the language course, an application for § 17a AufenthG can be made in Germany without requiring an exit. The change of purpose after successful completion is already legally possible. As part of the implementation of ICT 16b paragraph 4 Residence Act clarified by a reformulation.
yes, true. And still…. now, if you apply for 16b visa, they are asking for defizitbeschaid in India and some other countries. This has created a new visa hurdle for doctors.
”Language knowledge may also be acquired within the scope of § 17a AufenthG. If language knowledge is necessary for recognition or for authorisation to exercise a profession, the language course constitutes an educational measure pur- suant to 17a AufenthG. If this is not required, a language course may be attended alongside a training measure pursu- ant to § 17a AufenthG.” – ‘’Guide to § 17a of the German Residency Act’’ by The Network “Integration through Qualification (IQ)”
I would like to ask a few more queries.
1. Could you please explain the scope of applying for National Visa 16b for purposes of language proficiency. ( for applying for B2 in Germany ) without Defizitsbescheid.
2. Documents required for application for approbation.
3. Attestation of documents and translation of the same.
4. Apostille of translated documents.
1) like I said before, ideally, for 16b national visa does not require any Defizitbescheid. But still in many countries, if you apply 16b visa as a doctor at German embassy or consulate, chances are that your visa will be processed according to 17a!! ans you will be asked for defizitbescheid.
2, 3, 4) http://tejasghetia.com/information-medical-pg-germany/
4) Apostille of India is not valid in Germany!
AbdeLaziz Elalj :- Thank you for the great post,
1) i got a question if your degree is from a EU country, do you still need beacheid ? As The degree it’s directly recognized following the law 2005/36/EG.
the only thing they give after Apporobation application was the Eingangsbestatigung…. and they said that im not getting Bescheid as i dont need it.
2) And do you have any idea on how long does it take to get the 17a visa? As my fsp exam is on the 18 july and my visa appointment next month.
Thank you
Me:-
1? if you want to apply gor 17a… then you need to apply approbation… they will give you confirmation… which you can use for visa application… it will be defizitbescheid/zwischenbescheid about language! if you haven’t completed it. Or Fachsprachprüfung.
they can write in that bestätigung that you do not require any kenntnisseprüfung… and which language level or exams are needed… this zwischenbescheid can be used…
2) no idea about timing for visa.
His reply:- Hello back, first of thank for all the answers you gave to my questions so far, appreciate that.
If you dont mind me please i just got an Email from LAGeSo Berlin saying “Da Ihre ärztliche Ausbildung in Rumänien – einem Mitgliedsstaat der EU- erworben wurde und sofern die Voraussetzungen des § 3 Abs. 1 BÄO erfüllt sind, d h. Vorlage der vollständigen Antragsunterlagen, kann eine standardisierte Erteilung der Approbation als Arzt erfolgen. In diesem Fall ist die Erteilung eines Feststellungsbescheides für die Einreise nach bzw. für den Aufenthalt in Deutschland mit einem Visum gemäß § 17a AufenthG nicht vorgesehen.
“ wich got all confused to wich type of visa should i apply if 17a is not working for my case. Im getting so confused, this headache won’t stop.
Kishan Desai:- 1 Can we change state after getting defizitbescheid ?
2 Is it possible to go through Gutaschen process later on.? In approbation form if we not choose Gutaschen Process in form of making process of Defizitbeschied faster
Me:- 1) yes one can
2) I have seen a case…. After application for Kenntnissprüfung in one state, the whole approbation application from that state (NRW) was completely withdrawn by applicant. And a new application was done in another state (Bayern) , with Gutachten process, and then he received an Approbation without exam. So yes, according to current rules, it is possible, but may depend on state rules.
Hello Sir
I am dentist from India .I have done my german upto b2.2. And I’m planning to do hospitation in Germany.
I had few questions for you Sir .
Since my next step is visa I wanted to know –
In order to do Hospitation and c1 Medizin kurs which visa should I apply for ?
2.Is it mandatory to have deficitbescheid for Hospitation and c1 Medizin kurs?
You have mentioned that deficitbescheid needs 5-9
months, hence I want to do hopitation and C1 medizine during that period of time. Plz let me know is it possible??
1) I don’t recommend to apply for Job Seeker visa, as it will give you only 6 months which is a short time.
Student visa looks like a good option. 17a looks like a good option. But it will take a long time.
2) Depends upon your visa officer. Ideally for Student visa not required. (But… as I have mentioned above. Please read links and pdfs.)
They may ask for it. You can try to get visa after submitting Eingangsbestätigung!
PS. For Hospitation and Medizin Kurs it will not be asked. But for your visa, they may ask!
is it necessary to have a job offer or hospitation in order to apply for defizitbescheid(Approbation) or Beruferlaubnis.It is difficult to find a job from India.
1) it is really difficult, and almost impossible to find a job from India. It was easy before 5 years. Now not possible.
2) I have already mentioned above, for Approbation application… ”The competent bodies/authorities may ask for proof of job intention in the respective area, e.g. in the form of evidence of job applications. ” You do not require any job or hospiration.
3) For receiving a Berufserlaubnis, most of the states ask for Job offer letter.
Thank you for the information sir.
Thanks
Under Mumbai Consulate, Which Visa Category should I apply for?
National Visa – Student or Employment Visa?
Emplyment visa requires a Berufserlaubnis and an Arbeitserlaubnis!! Without them, it will never be approved!
I don’t know your situation. One has to find a proper visa category according to own situation.
Darshan: 22.01.2019:-
Dear Sir,
Hi Sir. My name is Dr Darshan Ranpurwala. I completed my MBBS from GMERS Medical College, Gandhinagar, Gujarat.
I have been following your websites and posts for a while now. They have been very useful and can’t thank you enough for people like us who have no idea about medical PG process in Germany.
I will get straight to the point. I hired this agent (Mackwins) for my Germany visa application. They told me to apply for a Masters Course in germany in Student category. Naturally, I got a visa rejection (But my friend with same visa documents for approval that too with 6 months visa!)
Anyways, now I am in big dilemma. Should I apply for visa again with Hospitation? With Defizitbescheid? Will the German Consulate allow any of the two as I had applied before using a Masters Course?
I am in big trouble Sir and require immediate guidance.
Thanking you
Darshan Ranpurwala
Me 26.03.2019:-
Hi,
what happened with your situation?
sorry for late reply.
http://tejasghetia.com/information-medical-pg-germany/
http://tejasghetia.com/use-comments-not-messages/
Thanks
Darshan: 26.03.2019:-
Hi Sir,
That’s okay. You must be really busy.
I had applied for visa with A1 level, I’m attaching my Ablenungsbescheid, if you want to review.
Anyways, I have just cleared B1 and currently doing my B2.
I have decided to apply for Approbation in Köln/Rheinland Pfalz to receive Defizitbescheid as it would be a strong document for the visa process and they don’t ask for Job letter.
I have collected all the required documents and will get it translated to a sworn translator in Germany in next few days.
I’m just worried about that visa interview when they ask why did I change from Masters course (Public Health Course in HAW Hamburg) to this.
I hope it works out.
Thanking you,
Darshan Ranpurwala
Me:- 26.03.2019
Okay. Good idea and path.
You changed your mind. And thought about different future path, which did not work out good.
Now you want to do this!
No worries. Ideally, it shouldn’t matter.
Best of luck.
Darshan:-
Thank you so much Sir.
I just have one doubt regarding application of Approbation in Köln.
Do I need to submit ONLY Beglaubigt German translated copy for documents
OR
One English copy with Beglaubigt German copy?
I am still not so sure about that.
I have attached antragsteller.
Thanking you
Darshan
Me:-
Read in detail under translation of documents
Watch the video
http://tejasghetia.com/information-medical-pg-germany/
you need to submit Beglaubigt German translated copy for documents
and
Beglaubigt English copy for documents
Thanks
Darshan:-
Okay.
So I should ask the Translator to provide beglaubigt English copy as well?
Thanks & Regards.
Me:-
Ideally. You should do it from german consulate. But easy and better to ask translator if he can do a noteriell beglaubigung of English copies as well.-
Darshan:-
Okay. Got it.
Thanks a lot Sir.
Darshan:- Today
Hi Sir,
In order to apply for 17a Visa.
In Mumbai Consulate, should I apply for National Visa – Student visa or Employment visa?
I am currently doing B2 in Ahmedabad, and will apply for B2-C1 Medizin/FSP course in Germany.
Please guide me in this regard.
Thanking you,
Darshan
Me:- Work visa requires Arbeitserlaubnis and Berufserlaubnis along with Job offer!! Student visa looks more suitable to your situation.
Hello tejasbhai… I’m medical graduate from gcs medical college, Ahmedabad. I’m about to complete my internship in July. I am preparing for b1 now. As if you might know GMC takes around 5 to 6 months after internship to issue final medical license. ( though we get it online in short time). After that it would take another 3 to 4 months to get DefizitBescheid. So thing is that i do not want to waste this much time. So can I apply for DefizitBescheid without final licence( or just online copy)? And if I prove that my medical studies is not over so does Visa authorities will still ask for beschied? Pls help.
As long as I understand, you can not get Defizitbescheid without medical registration, as it is written on required documents list. If you find any new information, then send it to me.
Hi sir, I want to know if c1 is mandatory?
I have done my b2 in India, and I am in Germany currently. Should I directly start Telc b2 c1, or do b2 again and gain more speaking knowledge. Kindly advice.
Hi..I m Dr. Roshan.. I just completed my B2 in Delhi.. I am very confused where should I apply.. as without defizitbescheid it is very difficult to proceed.. so please Dr. Darshan as you said in köln/ rheinland it is easy to get defizitbescheid without hospitation and job offer letter.. so please suggest me, should I apply at these places for defizitbescheid.. and any special important tipps you want to give regarding this..
Noone knows, how it will go, better than your Ansprechpartner. Email both of them and see, what they tell you. Who will give it faster.
Your B2 level should be enough so that you can prepare for Fachsprachenprüfung.
I would say C1 level is needed, but if that is not on the list of the requirements in your state, do not waste time to get a certificate.
Check out the language requirement of the state where you want to apply and work as a doctor.
In the end, when you will start working, the certificate will not be that important, but your language skill will be important.
Hi.. I m Roshan. I have just completed my B2 in Delhi and currently I am very confused that where should I apply for defizitbescheid as it is very difficult without defizitbescheid.. dr. darshan as you said in köln/ rheinland it doesn’t require job letter or hospitation for defizitbescheid.. plz suggest me should I apply to these places.. or any other special important suggestions you want to share.. please
hi, once somebody has cleared fsp in a particular state , can he / she work in any state across germany ? while the person is preparing for the kenntnisse prüfung, or is limited to the state we have applied in?
Try to apply after B1 level, if possible. it takes time to get a Defizitbescheid. And during that time you can complete your language.
If they do not accept your documents with B1 level of Language then apply with B2 language certificate.
Hello sir,
My name is Younus.I am from Bangladesh .At present I’m in Germany with a student visa for a Master program and doing B2.3 .In next month I will seat for telc B2 exam .I am planning to do my FSP in Berlin .I have a question regarding Defizitbesheid .do I need a Defizitbesheid besheid? If yes then when should I apply for this? Can I give FSP without it?
Defizitbescheid is for those, who wants to apply for visa in their native countries and their respective embassies are asking for it.
If you’re already in Berlin and there is no possibility to apply only FSP , you require to apply for Approbation/ Berufserlaubnis to start the process.
In receiving a defizit bescheid, there is too much hidden cost is there, this diploma authentication new thing cost approximately 700 till 1000 euros, guys must inquire all info before you fall into this! Getting defizit bescheid its just look simple.
What do you mean by diploma authentication? Do you mean legalisation ??
Where did you do it? Who asked for it?
Please give details. Thanks.
I think it would be good to apply for Approbation and Defizit bescheid. If you are sure about coming to Germany.
There is actually nothing like ideal time. One has to decide for ownself, what works best for me. As there is nothing like a perfect processing way. But Defizitbescheid often takes time, so better to apply as early as possible.
Dear Sir,
I have already sent my documents on June 2019 to Bayresiches Approbationbehörde für Beruferlaubins bzw. Approbation.
I am going to attend a FSP Vorbereitungskurs in Münich on December 2019 and I have a Sprachvisum (National D visa not allowed to work) for 4 months.
I have 3 questions:
1. How much time it will take that I can attend the Fachsprahcprufung after my documents are processed?
2. Do I need a Defizitbescheid for this procedure and the 5-9 months duration for my documents certificatiobln by ZAB and Behörde?
3. Can I extend my visa or change it to 17a?
1) I am not understanding the question! you are already in germany or? FSP takes around 3 to 4 months of waiting time in Bayern.
2) if you’re in germany. Normally they should process it within short time, even without defizitbescheid!!
3) yes you can
Hi!, thank you for all the information!. I would like to know if it is possible to request the Defizitbescheid through the embassy in my home country and then in Germany ask for the results?…to change and get a 17a visa once I obtain it.
you can apply from home country. but not via embassy, you have to apply by yourself .
you can ask for results on email via pdf.
you can also change address of course.
Good afternoon,
I have just completed my final year MBBS and my internship has just started.
I am learning German language along with my internship and I will appear my B2 exam in July, 2020.
When should I ideally fill for Defizitbescheid to save time?
Hi Tejas,
I came to Wuerzburg on a Hospitation Visa and have an appointment for the FSP. The Ausländerbehörde is asking for the Defizitbescheid for Visa change and extension. I do not have it as i have now applied only for Berufserlaubnis, as i haven’t decided about Gutachten or Kenntnispruefung. The officer in the Regierung von Unterfranken says we do not issue the Defizitbescheid. What i have understood is, even the statement of the need for FSP is a Defizitbescheid, but probably they are focussed on the word. What would you suggest?
In this Situation, I would have applied for the visa and given an authority to both of them (Ausländebehörde and Regierung von Unterfranken) to speak with eachother to exchange my visa and BE details, and solve the problem together.
Here you remain as a communication tool, and that makes a problem. Better ,would be to let them talk with each other and decide. May be a small letter saying that you have applied for Berufserlaubnis will be sufficient for Ausländerbehörde, let them decide.
But this exchange and communication is happening via you, and that will create a pressure on your mind, which is unnecessary.
Sometimes sending one email to Ausländerbehörde with following information will be sufficient.
– with contact number of your Ansprechpartner at Regierung von Unterfranken
– mentioning that you are allowing both of them to communicate and share info
– mention the problem that you are facing clearly without any accusations.
– attach your ansprechpartner (at Regierung von Unterfranken) email as cc, so he knows that you have given this authorised consent
Hi Tejas, thanks for the reply. I did the above, the Ansprechpartner at the Regierung also called the Ansprechpartnerin at thethe Ausländerbehörde, but that did not help and she gave me just an extension without any kind of job permit. Of late, i have cleared the FSP and amalooking for jobs. The situation would now change i guess.
How does one apply for a Defizitbescheid without a job letter or so? Because most States require a job letter or proof of employment for application for FSP termin or Approbation. Suppose I come for Hospitation in Bayern, how do I apply for an FSP termin without an Anstellung?
Hallo. i applied for approbation in Baden Wuttemberg and got a Ersatz Defizitbeschied(ED). Currently I have only B1 level language. I have applied for B2 and C1 course in Freiberg international academy. I applied for 16f language visa. But in embassy they are saying that language leading to B2 and above can only be processed with 16d visa. But now they saying that the Ersatz Defizitbeschied does not conform my medical training in india, and not mentioned anything about FSP. but in my ED they mentioned that i need b2 level general language and professional language C1 and further orginal documents to be submitted. I dont know how to reply to embassy. Can you help me what to do?
my brother. has the same problem.
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Where have you applied for your visa?